Today’s podcast is part two of a two-part conversation with Moira Demos and Laura Ricciardi, the makers of the breakout, true crime series Making a Murderer. (To find the podcast and transcript of Part 1, click here.)

During this part of our conversation, we discuss Moira’s and Laura’s making a deal with Netflix to broadcast Making a Murderer as their first documentary series, the experience of watching the series become a cultural phenomenon, the process of making season two of the series, and where things stand in the cases of Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey.

You can find the transcript to part one of the interview here.